Comments on: CCK08: How are we conditioned to learn, and more on CCK08 filters http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/ Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:45:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: CCK08 - Group and Network Norms « An Education and Technology Blog http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-139 CCK08 - Group and Network Norms « An Education and Technology Blog Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:24:37 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-139 [...] October 15, 2008 Filed under: CCK08 | Tags: CCK08, norms | This was going to be a comment to Gina’s post, but got so long that I decided to post [...] [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The comment's server IP (72.232.153.33) doesn't match the comment's URL host IP (76.74.254.123) and so is spam. [...] October 15, 2008 Filed under: CCK08 | Tags: CCK08, norms | This was going to be a comment to Gina’s post, but got so long that I decided to post [...]

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]]> By: linarmstrong http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-138 linarmstrong Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:57:01 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-138 hi everyone.. what an interesting thread. the behaviour of groups when faced with conflict always interests me.We pair with others ,we go invisible or we come out fighting with gloves up. Even though its cyber groups or networks it still has powerful emotions attached to it doesn't it? Really good discussion and i liked Gina's reflections about gifted /autistic and dyslexic ,,,so right just labels with powerful affects on the individuals family. I really like this blog now have to learn how to add it to my RSS as I rely on google alerts and the daily to direct me as the side tracks take so much time up. hi everyone.. what an interesting thread. the behaviour of groups when faced with conflict always interests me.We pair with others ,we go invisible or we come out fighting with gloves up. Even though its cyber groups or networks it still has powerful emotions attached to it doesn’t it? Really good discussion and i liked Gina’s reflections about gifted /autistic and dyslexic ,,,so right just labels with powerful affects on the individuals family. I really like this blog now have to learn how to add it to my RSS as I rely on google alerts and the daily to direct me as the side tracks take so much time up.

]]> By: CCK08: There *are* rules to engagement | Adventures in Corporate Education http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-132 CCK08: There *are* rules to engagement | Adventures in Corporate Education Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:40:12 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-132 [...] Portfolio ← CCK08: How are we conditioned to learn, and more on CCK08 filters [...] [...] Portfolio ← CCK08: How are we conditioned to learn, and more on CCK08 filters [...]

]]> By: gminks http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-131 gminks Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:56:36 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-131 Thanks everyone for the comments. I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way. After reading the Daily for today, I have some more comments of my own...but that is for another post. Thanks everyone for the comments. I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt this way. After reading the Daily for today, I have some more comments of my own…but that is for another post.

]]> By: Mike Bogle http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-130 Mike Bogle Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:45:15 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-130 Hi Everyone, This is a good thread - sorry to take so long to jump into the discussion! Like you Gina, the last Elluminate meeting just didn't sit well with me. I was under the impression they had been established as a way of discussing areas of uncertainty or confusion. Based on Downes comments this presumption is either incorrect, the purpose has changed, or there are conditions or requirements in what is discussed - e.g. only certain questions can be asked there, and others must be saved for the blogs or forums. Either way I think that it could have been handled differently than it was. For example, the confusion could have been taken as an opportunity to highlight the lack of symbolic meaning in language, and the significance of perspective in knowledge and learning. However when I asked what the difference was between a Homogenous Network and a Group - which made perfect sense to me but obviously not other people - I got a similiar sort of dismissive response. I can't help but notice some of the terse, short tempered responses we see in the Moodle forums seeping into other areas of the course - which just doesn't work for me at all. As I mentioned to Gina via Twitter shortly thereafter though, this also highlights the value of a Personal Learning Network. Cheers, Mike Hi Everyone,

This is a good thread – sorry to take so long to jump into the discussion!

Like you Gina, the last Elluminate meeting just didn’t sit well with me. I was under the impression they had been established as a way of discussing areas of uncertainty or confusion. Based on Downes comments this presumption is either incorrect, the purpose has changed, or there are conditions or requirements in what is discussed – e.g. only certain questions can be asked there, and others must be saved for the blogs or forums.

Either way I think that it could have been handled differently than it was.

For example, the confusion could have been taken as an opportunity to highlight the lack of symbolic meaning in language, and the significance of perspective in knowledge and learning. However when I asked what the difference was between a Homogenous Network and a Group – which made perfect sense to me but obviously not other people – I got a similiar sort of dismissive response.

I can’t help but notice some of the terse, short tempered responses we see in the Moodle forums seeping into other areas of the course – which just doesn’t work for me at all.

As I mentioned to Gina via Twitter shortly thereafter though, this also highlights the value of a Personal Learning Network.

Cheers,

Mike

]]> By: Pat Parslow http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-129 Pat Parslow Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:55 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-129 Hi Gina, This post resonates with me too - add in the removal of functionality on the Moodle site for the course (nested views of the forums not working, and no highlighting of new posts) and I am finding it unworkable. Problem is, given Downes' apparent dislike of the central Moodle forums as opposed to blogs, I am loathe to be 'pushed' to relying on blogging in place of the forums. My instinct is to stop engaging instead. Makes me wonder if there is a deliberate 'Good cop/bad cop' experiment going on (but that is probably just my paranoia) Hi Gina,

This post resonates with me too – add in the removal of functionality on the Moodle site for the course (nested views of the forums not working, and no highlighting of new posts) and I am finding it unworkable.

Problem is, given Downes’ apparent dislike of the central Moodle forums as opposed to blogs, I am loathe to be ‘pushed’ to relying on blogging in place of the forums. My instinct is to stop engaging instead.

Makes me wonder if there is a deliberate ‘Good cop/bad cop’ experiment going on (but that is probably just my paranoia)

]]> By: Viplav Baxi http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-128 Viplav Baxi Mon, 13 Oct 2008 03:48:14 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-128 Hi Gina, >>But I also now feel I can’t participate in the CCK08 discussion. For some reason my words and methods of asking aren’t what one of the leaders of the CCK08 group expects, so I am in fear of being singled out for not understanding the language and norms. Effectively a filter has been created for me and the group.<< Please don't feel that way :). A great part of connectivism is about being human and as humans we all have our own little idiosyncracies and/or personal beliefs. Don't miss out on the Moodle forums if you have the time! Hi Gina,
>>But I also now feel I can’t participate in the CCK08 discussion. For some reason my words and methods of asking aren’t what one of the leaders of the CCK08 group expects, so I am in fear of being singled out for not understanding the language and norms. Effectively a filter has been created for me and the group.<<

Please don’t feel that way :) . A great part of connectivism is about being human and as humans we all have our own little idiosyncracies and/or personal beliefs. Don’t miss out on the Moodle forums if you have the time!

]]> By: Ed Webb http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-127 Ed Webb Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:11:21 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-127 I haven't caught up with the CCK08 this week, so have not observed first hand the kind of interactions you are talking about here, Gina. But they do not seem out of line with earlier emerging patterns. Downes is not overly solicitous of the students in the course (here was one of my irritated moments: http://connect.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=44172). That's up to him. But I think the learning point here is that to the extent that this whole experience (rather than course) is itself an instance of networked or connected learning opportunities, you can choose to filter out Downes if he ceases to be a productive node from your perspective. I am forever telling my students that they can learn as much from each other as from me if they chose to work that way, and I think the same applies here. I certainly appreciate your thoughts on this blog as much as anything on the Moodle. So I would encourage you to bypass the Downes node if it is unproductive, and draw on the collective knowledge and insights of your fellow students to help you figure out what you need to figure out. I haven’t caught up with the CCK08 this week, so have not observed first hand the kind of interactions you are talking about here, Gina. But they do not seem out of line with earlier emerging patterns. Downes is not overly solicitous of the students in the course (here was one of my irritated moments: http://connect.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=44172). That’s up to him. But I think the learning point here is that to the extent that this whole experience (rather than course) is itself an instance of networked or connected learning opportunities, you can choose to filter out Downes if he ceases to be a productive node from your perspective. I am forever telling my students that they can learn as much from each other as from me if they chose to work that way, and I think the same applies here. I certainly appreciate your thoughts on this blog as much as anything on the Moodle. So I would encourage you to bypass the Downes node if it is unproductive, and draw on the collective knowledge and insights of your fellow students to help you figure out what you need to figure out.

]]> By: Lani http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-126 Lani Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:37:22 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-126 sorry for the typo should be "excited" Lani sorry for the typo should be “excited” Lani

]]> By: Lani http://gminks.edublogs.org/2008/10/12/cck08-how-are-we-conditioned-to-learn-and-more-on-cck08-filters/comment-page-1/#comment-125 Lani Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:36:16 +0000 http://gminks.edublogs.org/?p=96#comment-125 Hi Gina, Your post really resonated with me. You are far more articulate and sophisticated in explaining how I feel. In my own way, I've been on the periphery trying to "grow" my understanding and translate how it applies to my practice. I've avoided the Moodle forums and like you participated through blogs, and consuming the "daily". My postings have been for me and that some have found them and commented has expanded my network. I've sensed that as a novice in this content I'd best stay out of the way --Downes in the daily "but this can become very irritating for the expert" reinforced that. When I wrote my post today, I wondered should I not; and then I did it hoping no one would notice -- I'm exited with my learning-- and yet this nagging feeling--- and you put your finger right on it! Lani Hi Gina,

Your post really resonated with me. You are far more articulate and sophisticated in explaining how I feel.

In my own way, I’ve been on the periphery trying to “grow” my understanding and translate how it applies to my practice. I’ve avoided the Moodle forums and like you participated through blogs, and consuming the “daily”. My postings have been for me and that some have found them and commented has expanded my network. I’ve sensed that as a novice in this content I’d best stay out of the way –Downes in the daily “but this can become very irritating for the expert” reinforced that. When I wrote my post today, I wondered should I not; and then I did it hoping no one would notice –

I’m exited with my learning– and yet this nagging feeling— and you put your finger right on it!

Lani

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