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	<title>Comments on: More reflection on Outliers</title>
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	<description>or, how my graduate studies are affecting my job in corporate education</description>
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		<title>By: Charlie Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Gina. 

Two thoughts on expertise and success. There&#039;s an old joke that goes: &quot;How can you fire someone with 5 years of experience?&quot; &quot;I didn&#039;t: I fired someone with 1 year of experience repeated 4 times.&quot; 

&quot;Becoming an expert&quot; connotes achieving a particular level of mastery of a field or endeavor. Achieving that mastery can be considered a success, but this assumes that the achievement was the result of pursuing an implicit goal.  To restate: expertise in a (field, endeavor, body of knowledge) implies success in mastering that endeavor, but doesn&#039;t speak to the goal-orientation of the individual, nor does it speak to external recognition of the attainment of that expertise as &quot;a success.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Gina. </p>
<p>Two thoughts on expertise and success. There&#8217;s an old joke that goes: &#8220;How can you fire someone with 5 years of experience?&#8221; &#8220;I didn&#8217;t: I fired someone with 1 year of experience repeated 4 times.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Becoming an expert&#8221; connotes achieving a particular level of mastery of a field or endeavor. Achieving that mastery can be considered a success, but this assumes that the achievement was the result of pursuing an implicit goal.  To restate: expertise in a (field, endeavor, body of knowledge) implies success in mastering that endeavor, but doesn&#8217;t speak to the goal-orientation of the individual, nor does it speak to external recognition of the attainment of that expertise as &#8220;a success.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kia ora Gina

You say, &quot;So, is an expert automatically successful?&quot;

One way of looking at success is by achieving expertise. But that definition is a bit like the chicken and the egg and asking which came first.

I think we have to define what&#039;s meant by &#039;success&#039; in the same way as we may also have to define what an &#039;expert&#039; is.

Catchya later
from Middle-earth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kia ora Gina</p>
<p>You say, &#8220;So, is an expert automatically successful?&#8221;</p>
<p>One way of looking at success is by achieving expertise. But that definition is a bit like the chicken and the egg and asking which came first.</p>
<p>I think we have to define what&#8217;s meant by &#8217;success&#8217; in the same way as we may also have to define what an &#8216;expert&#8217; is.</p>
<p>Catchya later<br />
from Middle-earth</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the follow-up, Gina.

I don&#039;t think that Gladwell is saying that 10K hours equals success; rather, I think he&#039;s saying that 10K hours is one important prerequisite to success.

Success and expertise can be, in my view, be separate characteristics--not to mention that both terms can be rather subjective. (I hold a &quot;peer reviewed&quot; perspective on such things.) One doesn&#039;t have to be an expert to succeed; one doesn&#039;t have to succeed to be an expert (e.g. undiscovered talent, unpopular skill in a commercial context, etc.).

Mentoring, coaching, being a constant student (being teachable)--these are all important factors in developing expertise and using such expertise successfully, IMHO.

&gt;&gt; I think the reason people never get to that 10K time mark 
&gt;&gt; is that most folks aren’t doing the necessary reflecting on 
&gt;&gt; what they are practicing. Instead, they learn the bit they 
&gt;&gt; need to know and then they are done.

Sad but often true, I&#039;m afraid. Often the deliberate/determined/reflective nature of practice is missing; so, the hours are wasted, too (i.e. don&#039;t count).

If you can get Dr. Ericsson to speak to EMC, I&#039;d be very interested to learn from him.

Cheers,
-Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the follow-up, Gina.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that Gladwell is saying that 10K hours equals success; rather, I think he&#8217;s saying that 10K hours is one important prerequisite to success.</p>
<p>Success and expertise can be, in my view, be separate characteristics&#8211;not to mention that both terms can be rather subjective. (I hold a &#8220;peer reviewed&#8221; perspective on such things.) One doesn&#8217;t have to be an expert to succeed; one doesn&#8217;t have to succeed to be an expert (e.g. undiscovered talent, unpopular skill in a commercial context, etc.).</p>
<p>Mentoring, coaching, being a constant student (being teachable)&#8211;these are all important factors in developing expertise and using such expertise successfully, IMHO.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; I think the reason people never get to that 10K time mark<br />
&gt;&gt; is that most folks aren’t doing the necessary reflecting on<br />
&gt;&gt; what they are practicing. Instead, they learn the bit they<br />
&gt;&gt; need to know and then they are done.</p>
<p>Sad but often true, I&#8217;m afraid. Often the deliberate/determined/reflective nature of practice is missing; so, the hours are wasted, too (i.e. don&#8217;t count).</p>
<p>If you can get Dr. Ericsson to speak to EMC, I&#8217;d be very interested to learn from him.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
-Craig</p>
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