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		<title>By: Reflecting on #bitnorth &#124; Adventures in Corporate Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reflecting on #bitnorth &#124; Adventures in Corporate Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it &#8211; they just don&#8217;t get it. And it reminds me too much of the debacle I experienced at last year&#8217;s Podcamp Boston. I&#8217;m sick of being told to just &#8220;be awesome&#8221;. Guys that preach this drivel do our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it &#8211; they just don&#8217;t get it. And it reminds me too much of the debacle I experienced at last year&#8217;s Podcamp Boston. I&#8217;m sick of being told to just &#8220;be awesome&#8221;. Guys that preach this drivel do our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Candi Imming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candi Imming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, I enjoy the perspectives shared by Gina and the goals each respondent  wants to attain either for themselves or a larger collective.   Questioning and seeking to understand remains  a valuable life skill.   I will have to say when I deal with the much larger world for most people I know, work with, or I am related to;  gender issues, let alone social media never shows up as a blip on their radar screens.  It reminds me of when I was in college student government and would get passionate about an issue that very few other people  seemed to know about or care.   Each person decides what problems and boundaries they will focus on,  and if you find resonance with someone to try to make a difference,  you are lucky.   Female human beings continually want to expand their life role due to the fact our brains have the same needs as males.  I sometimes wonder if life would have been easier if we were as incapable as we used to be thought, and in many countries still considered.  Most males just do not have to face that issue.   I cannot expect them to be able to understand, although they can be sympathetic.   You have to be a somewhat strong minded and confident female to get past cultural conditioning and expecatations as well as the biology, to achieve a different or expanded role in life.    Some people have enough gumption to do it for themselves, but many others require help or are not even interested in changing their role.  Social media provides one possible support tool to help people  build connections to change some cultural norms, but there are many norms to overcome.   Perhaps the timeframe for change should be understood to be several generations even with technology</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, I enjoy the perspectives shared by Gina and the goals each respondent  wants to attain either for themselves or a larger collective.   Questioning and seeking to understand remains  a valuable life skill.   I will have to say when I deal with the much larger world for most people I know, work with, or I am related to;  gender issues, let alone social media never shows up as a blip on their radar screens.  It reminds me of when I was in college student government and would get passionate about an issue that very few other people  seemed to know about or care.   Each person decides what problems and boundaries they will focus on,  and if you find resonance with someone to try to make a difference,  you are lucky.   Female human beings continually want to expand their life role due to the fact our brains have the same needs as males.  I sometimes wonder if life would have been easier if we were as incapable as we used to be thought, and in many countries still considered.  Most males just do not have to face that issue.   I cannot expect them to be able to understand, although they can be sympathetic.   You have to be a somewhat strong minded and confident female to get past cultural conditioning and expecatations as well as the biology, to achieve a different or expanded role in life.    Some people have enough gumption to do it for themselves, but many others require help or are not even interested in changing their role.  Social media provides one possible support tool to help people  build connections to change some cultural norms, but there are many norms to overcome.   Perhaps the timeframe for change should be understood to be several generations even with technology</p>
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		<title>By: Fall Semester Starts Tomorrow &#124; Adventures in Corporate Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fall Semester Starts Tomorrow &#124; Adventures in Corporate Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to PodCamp, caused a stir because myself and some other ladies pointed out that people still face [...]</description>
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		<title>By: A Geek, A Girl, But Not a Geeky Girl &#171; Safe Digression</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Geek, A Girl, But Not a Geeky Girl &#171; Safe Digression</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sarah states, &#8220;Are there not currently TONS of women in social media who are incredibly smart, incredibly accomplished, and incredibly under-represented everywhere–from the stage at SxSW to the Power 150?&#8221; Sure. But I&#8217;ve yet to see any conclusive evidence that that underrepresentation comes from some collective oppression. When Sarah says, &#8220;We’re saying that women who are already equally deserving of these chances, women who ARE &#8216;awesome,&#8217; have been overlooked. And we’re asking that it be corrected,&#8221; all I can say is, most conferences I&#8217;ve attended in this space accept session proposals, and many are co-organized by women. Again, no evidence of collective oppression. Please prove this to me. (Also, don&#8217;t complain about people like Chris Penn saying &#8220;provocative&#8221; things like &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter what&#8217;s between your legs&#8221; when apparently the session was conceived with a name that can&#8217;t be printed in a family newspaper.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sarah states, &#8220;Are there not currently TONS of women in social media who are incredibly smart, incredibly accomplished, and incredibly under-represented everywhere–from the stage at SxSW to the Power 150?&#8221; Sure. But I&#8217;ve yet to see any conclusive evidence that that underrepresentation comes from some collective oppression. When Sarah says, &#8220;We’re saying that women who are already equally deserving of these chances, women who ARE &#8216;awesome,&#8217; have been overlooked. And we’re asking that it be corrected,&#8221; all I can say is, most conferences I&#8217;ve attended in this space accept session proposals, and many are co-organized by women. Again, no evidence of collective oppression. Please prove this to me. (Also, don&#8217;t complain about people like Chris Penn saying &#8220;provocative&#8221; things like &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter what&#8217;s between your legs&#8221; when apparently the session was conceived with a name that can&#8217;t be printed in a family newspaper.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The most important communication skill &#124; Dave Talks Shop</title>
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		<dc:creator>The most important communication skill &#124; Dave Talks Shop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a colleague and friend of mine, Gina, wrote about her experiences at a conference.  She shared a fascinating story about how a group of women self-organized at the conference and had a discussion about the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jamie Pappas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Pappas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beth, 

Being one who believes for myself that I am the only one who can limit me and my potential (and just said so in a recent blog post), I wanted to share my perspective on what I mean by that for myself. As a point of clarification, I don&#039;t tell other people that this is true for them, as I do not know their situations. But I do believe they have the potential to try to step back and see things through a different lens by not holding on to the past, but embracing reality and striving for change in a positive way using the resources and people we have around us, and probably even some we don&#039;t even know are out there yet.

What I mean when I say that &quot;the only one who can limit me is me&quot; is that I alone have the power to choose to be satisfied with how things currently operate (and I fully agree there are oppresive systems that still exist) and allow that to become my excuse for not striving to reach my goals. In this example, I am limiting myself by not trying to reach my goals, rather just &quot;settling&quot; for &quot;how it is.&quot;

By the same token, I alone have the power to decide that I will not settle for anything less than what I want, and that I will strive to overcome whatever my obstacles are in an ongoing effort to reach my goals. Realistically, of course my choices have to fit into the constructs of our society and laws, but that doesn&#039;t mean I stop trying to figure out ways to get where I need to be, or let the frustrating of the uphill battle in front of me stop me from trying to get up that hill. 

This is, after all, how change happens. People like all of us in this discussion see problems with how things are today, and we strive to make them better, not only for ourselves, but for those that will come after us. In the course of doing so, we win some, and we lose some, as they say, but we also learn a lot along the way.

As both you and Chris point out - this is a limited time offer where we have a huge window of opportunity to go beyond and position ourselves as thought leaders in this space because no one has it all figured out yet. So it&#039;s the perfect opportunity to level the playing field, so to speak, and make it what we want it to be for the future, not focus on the past.

Best,
Jamie
http://jamiepappas.typepad.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beth, </p>
<p>Being one who believes for myself that I am the only one who can limit me and my potential (and just said so in a recent blog post), I wanted to share my perspective on what I mean by that for myself. As a point of clarification, I don&#8217;t tell other people that this is true for them, as I do not know their situations. But I do believe they have the potential to try to step back and see things through a different lens by not holding on to the past, but embracing reality and striving for change in a positive way using the resources and people we have around us, and probably even some we don&#8217;t even know are out there yet.</p>
<p>What I mean when I say that &#8220;the only one who can limit me is me&#8221; is that I alone have the power to choose to be satisfied with how things currently operate (and I fully agree there are oppresive systems that still exist) and allow that to become my excuse for not striving to reach my goals. In this example, I am limiting myself by not trying to reach my goals, rather just &#8220;settling&#8221; for &#8220;how it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the same token, I alone have the power to decide that I will not settle for anything less than what I want, and that I will strive to overcome whatever my obstacles are in an ongoing effort to reach my goals. Realistically, of course my choices have to fit into the constructs of our society and laws, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I stop trying to figure out ways to get where I need to be, or let the frustrating of the uphill battle in front of me stop me from trying to get up that hill. </p>
<p>This is, after all, how change happens. People like all of us in this discussion see problems with how things are today, and we strive to make them better, not only for ourselves, but for those that will come after us. In the course of doing so, we win some, and we lose some, as they say, but we also learn a lot along the way.</p>
<p>As both you and Chris point out &#8211; this is a limited time offer where we have a huge window of opportunity to go beyond and position ourselves as thought leaders in this space because no one has it all figured out yet. So it&#8217;s the perfect opportunity to level the playing field, so to speak, and make it what we want it to be for the future, not focus on the past.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Jamie<br />
<a href="http://jamiepappas.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jamiepappas.typepad.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lynette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was part of that lawn conversation at Podcamp and have to say, that I took no offense at all to Chris&#039; comment regarding what&#039;s in our heads vs. our pants.  I don&#039;t want to be neutral, as a woman I have assets and advantages that I use daily in my personal and professional life.  None of it is physical, by the way, unless you count my brain - and as an extension my personality and experience. 

I have spoken at numerous Podcamps over the years (and dozens and dozens of professional conferences) and to be quite honest, drove 5 hours each way and just didn&#039;t feel like getting in front of everyone this time around.  My busy schedule had nothing to do with my selfishness.  My most productive encounters happen in the hallway, and this Podcamp was *all about me* to me.  Take what you need, and I did just that this past weekend.  I gave back in my own way, just not in front of a session.

I&#039;ve been commenting around the space on this topic, and wanted to say I&#039;m thrilled that people have such passionate views on the subject.  I&#039;m also glad that we all (seem) to still respect each other despite our opposing views.  I respect anyone who speaks their minds openly, honestly, and without hostility – and that includes remarks and comments to those whom we don’t agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was part of that lawn conversation at Podcamp and have to say, that I took no offense at all to Chris&#8217; comment regarding what&#8217;s in our heads vs. our pants.  I don&#8217;t want to be neutral, as a woman I have assets and advantages that I use daily in my personal and professional life.  None of it is physical, by the way, unless you count my brain &#8211; and as an extension my personality and experience. </p>
<p>I have spoken at numerous Podcamps over the years (and dozens and dozens of professional conferences) and to be quite honest, drove 5 hours each way and just didn&#8217;t feel like getting in front of everyone this time around.  My busy schedule had nothing to do with my selfishness.  My most productive encounters happen in the hallway, and this Podcamp was *all about me* to me.  Take what you need, and I did just that this past weekend.  I gave back in my own way, just not in front of a session.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been commenting around the space on this topic, and wanted to say I&#8217;m thrilled that people have such passionate views on the subject.  I&#8217;m also glad that we all (seem) to still respect each other despite our opposing views.  I respect anyone who speaks their minds openly, honestly, and without hostility – and that includes remarks and comments to those whom we don’t agree with.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Kingman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Kingman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating discussion. I was at Podcamp but did not attend the session on the lawn. If I had, I would have been one of the ones agreeing with the &quot;just be awesome&quot; approach.

I did sign up to lead a discussion at Podcamp, and my session was not chosen. However, I never, ever, thought about being denied because I was a *woman*. I just assumed that my topic was not &quot;sexy&quot; enough to make it onto the printed schedule (it was about blogging specifically, so maybe it was too specific. Whatever). And I never took count of how many presenters were women versus men. Some may say that I&#039;m likely naive and oblivious. Perhaps, but I also knew that at Podcamp, if I really wanted to hold my session, I could. I just needed to sign up for one of the open spaces. There was nothing holding me back. If I was passionate enough about the topic and could &quot;sell&quot; it to other attendees, I could have a session on any topic at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating discussion. I was at Podcamp but did not attend the session on the lawn. If I had, I would have been one of the ones agreeing with the &#8220;just be awesome&#8221; approach.</p>
<p>I did sign up to lead a discussion at Podcamp, and my session was not chosen. However, I never, ever, thought about being denied because I was a *woman*. I just assumed that my topic was not &#8220;sexy&#8221; enough to make it onto the printed schedule (it was about blogging specifically, so maybe it was too specific. Whatever). And I never took count of how many presenters were women versus men. Some may say that I&#8217;m likely naive and oblivious. Perhaps, but I also knew that at Podcamp, if I really wanted to hold my session, I could. I just needed to sign up for one of the open spaces. There was nothing holding me back. If I was passionate enough about the topic and could &#8220;sell&#8221; it to other attendees, I could have a session on any topic at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher S. Penn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher S. Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People will indeed bring the old with them to a degree, if only out of habit, but it&#039;s incumbent on all of us to shatter the old in ourselves as much as possible.

It&#039;s not about leveling the playing field. It&#039;s about an entirely NEW field that&#039;s empty, that&#039;s yours if you want it. As the field fills up, folks arriving will look to who&#039;s already there for how to play on the new field. You&#039;re on the field now. You&#039;re an early adopter. I&#039;m saying that you can MAKE the new rules, and the folks who come in after you will see your rules as the norm.

One final remark and I&#039;ll leave this debate to better minds than mine - social media and new media is indeed a one time opportunity in this space, but there are a lot of disruptive spaces ahead that we haven&#039;t even seen beyond the first glimpses of. Google Wave is the vanguard of change to social. Beyond that is the semantic Web, beyond that is augmented reality, beyond that is true virtual reality in every sense, and beyond that, who knows.

With this much disruption ahead, there will be opportunities aplenty, but it&#039;ll be easier to leverage the new opportunities if you have a leadership position in the opportunity that is now.

I wish you all success in being the leading social librarian :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will indeed bring the old with them to a degree, if only out of habit, but it&#8217;s incumbent on all of us to shatter the old in ourselves as much as possible.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about leveling the playing field. It&#8217;s about an entirely NEW field that&#8217;s empty, that&#8217;s yours if you want it. As the field fills up, folks arriving will look to who&#8217;s already there for how to play on the new field. You&#8217;re on the field now. You&#8217;re an early adopter. I&#8217;m saying that you can MAKE the new rules, and the folks who come in after you will see your rules as the norm.</p>
<p>One final remark and I&#8217;ll leave this debate to better minds than mine &#8211; social media and new media is indeed a one time opportunity in this space, but there are a lot of disruptive spaces ahead that we haven&#8217;t even seen beyond the first glimpses of. Google Wave is the vanguard of change to social. Beyond that is the semantic Web, beyond that is augmented reality, beyond that is true virtual reality in every sense, and beyond that, who knows.</p>
<p>With this much disruption ahead, there will be opportunities aplenty, but it&#8217;ll be easier to leverage the new opportunities if you have a leadership position in the opportunity that is now.</p>
<p>I wish you all success in being the leading social librarian <img src='http://gminks.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: gminks</title>
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		<dc:creator>gminks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think I agree with these statements. Social media is social. People will bring the old with them, because it is social-based. If we ignore this, classes of people will continue to be marginalized when there is this one time opportunity to level the playing field.

I have a background in library science. This is traditionally what librarians do - provide access to information based on a person&#039;s filter. What happens when we are in this new world, where there are no librarians? What happens when there is dissent carried over from before (because of the social) that gets shut down or marginalized? This is what I worry about.

And Beth, you should meet my daughter. She said the same thing about male neutral. (She has an anthropology background).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think I agree with these statements. Social media is social. People will bring the old with them, because it is social-based. If we ignore this, classes of people will continue to be marginalized when there is this one time opportunity to level the playing field.</p>
<p>I have a background in library science. This is traditionally what librarians do &#8211; provide access to information based on a person&#8217;s filter. What happens when we are in this new world, where there are no librarians? What happens when there is dissent carried over from before (because of the social) that gets shut down or marginalized? This is what I worry about.</p>
<p>And Beth, you should meet my daughter. She said the same thing about male neutral. (She has an anthropology background).</p>
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