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We’ll be doing #SANchat live from #Interop in a couple of weeks, the topic will be cloud-related. Stay tuned!

#SANchat, Wednesday April 20, 2011

12:39:22 @dell_storage Join us for #SANchat TODAY in 1.5 hour. Topic is #VDI. Guest hosts are .@@stu & .@@VirtWillU
12:56:26 @gminks RT @@dell_storage: Join us for #SANchat TODAY in 1.5 hour. Topic is #VDI. Guest hosts are .@@stu & .@@VirtWillU
13:03:26 @Compellent Only 1 hr till #SANchat! We recommend following w/TweetChat http://ow.ly/4E6ZO We’ll be chatting virtualization w/@@stu & @@VirtWillU
13:05:40 @verologix RT @@Compellent: Only 1 hr till #SANchat! We recommend following w/TweetChat http://ow.ly/4E6ZO We’ll be chatting virtualization w/@@stu & @@VirtWillU
13:10:40 @Wikibon Join @Wikibon’s @@stu and Dell’s @@VirtWillU this Wed 10am ET/ 9am CT for #SANchat about VDI http://cot.ag/dKrpIE
13:11:00 @dell_storage RT @@Wikibon: Join @Wikibon’s @@stu and Dell’s @@VirtWillU this Wed 10am ET/ 9am CT for #SANchat about VDI http://cot.ag/dKrpIE
13:11:58 @unixplayer RT @@Wikibon: Join @Wikibon’s @@stu and Dell’s @@VirtWillU this Wed 10am ET/ 9am CT for #SANchat about VDI http://cot.ag/dKrpIE
13:17:22 @VirtWillU RT @@Wikibon: Join @Wikibon’s @@stu and Dell’s @@VirtWillU this Wed 10am ET/ 9am CT for #SANchat about VDI http://cot.ag/dKrpIE
13:18:12 @VirtWillU RT @@Compellent: Only 1 hr till #SANchat! We recommend following w/TweetChat http://ow.ly/4E6ZO We’ll be chatting virtualization w/@@stu & @@VirtWillU
13:18:32 @DylanAtDell RT @@Wikibon: Join @Wikibon’s @@stu and Dell’s @@VirtWillU this Wed 10am ET/ 9am CT for #SANchat about VDI http://cot.ag/dKrpIE
13:19:37 @kylemurley RT @@VirtWillU @@Wikibon: Join @Wikibon’s @@stu and Dell’s @@VirtWillU this Wed 10am ET/ 9am CT for #SANchat about VDI http://cot.ag/dKrpIE
13:20:34 @AchantaatDell RT @@Compellent: Only 1 hr till #SANchat! We recommend following w/TweetChat http://ow.ly/4E6ZO We’ll be chatting virtualization w/@@stu & @@VirtWillU
13:20:46 @NGTJason RT @@Wikibon: Join @Wikibon’s @@stu and Dell’s @@VirtWillU this Wed 10am ET/ 9am CT for #SANchat about VDI http://cot.ag/dKrpIE
13:31:22 @stu 30 minutes until #SANchat about VDI! We recommend following w TweetChat http://tweetchat.com/room/SANchat /via @@VirtWillU #SANchat
13:32:09 @DellTechCenter via @@stu: 30 minutes until #SANchat about VDI! We recommend following w TweetChat http://j.mp/hMn0AO /via @@VirtWillU #SANchat
13:32:10 @RobinDrago via @@stu: 30 minutes until #SANchat about VDI! We recommend following w TweetChat http://j.mp/hMn0AO /via @@VirtWillU #SANchat
13:45:24 @RobinDrago RT @@Wikibon: Join @Wikibon’s @@stu and Dell’s @@VirtWillU this Wed 10am ET/ 9am CT for #SANchat about VDI http://cot.ag/dKrpIE
13:51:44 @liemnguyen Join @@stu @@VirtWillU in 15 minutes for #SANchat. Refill your cup of coffee, make sure your laptop is plugged in! #sanchat
13:53:08 @liemnguyen Talking to @@DaveTheDellGuy about his consulting VDI background, looking forward to also hearing his thoughts on #sanchat
13:54:48 @warrenatdell VDI discussion on #SANchat in 5 minutes.
13:56:28 @Compellent 5 minutes until #SANchat begins! Join us to talk VDI w/@@stu & @virtuwillu #SANchat
13:59:28 @gminks about to jump on #sanchat — and working on a blog post about #dellsf11 sessions. #multitasking. ftw!!!
14:00:19 @DaveTheDellGuy “good morning everyone!
#SANchat”
14:00:58 @VirtWillU Good morning #SANchat!
14:01:25 @iscsiking Join the conversation about VDI via #SANChat
14:01:45 @liemnguyen Welcome @@stu @@VirtWillU! Thanks for making time for us! #sanchat
14:02:28 @DaveTheDellGuy David Wilcoxen with Dell EBC in Round Rock Texas, past lead VDI consultant for Dell. #SANchat
14:02:34 @mkhan01 Hi #SANChat
14:02:38 @mkhan01 Hi all #SANChat
14:02:44 @gminks “RT @@liemnguyen: Welcome @@stu @@VirtWillU! Thanks for making time for us! <- yes welcome!!
#SANchat”
14:02:51 @stu @@liemnguyen Thanks Liem – thanks so much for having me – virtualization & SAN FTW! #SANchat
14:03:04 @gminks @@DaveTheDellGuy <- nice to “meet” you. #SANchat
14:03:16 @Lee4dell VDI discussion on #SANchat going on now. Join us!
14:03:28 @mkhan01 “Moe Khan – w/ Dell Solution Center – Technology Strategist for VDI
#SANChat”
14:03:34 @VirtWillU Hey guys Will Urban Dell #EqualLogic solutions engineer <— #SANchat
14:03:40 @liemnguyen Why don’t we start off with a vocabulary exercise – what’s VDI and how is it different from other forms of virtualization #sanchat
14:03:48 @gminks Hey everyone! I’m Gina, social media marking for @@dell_storage #SANchat
14:04:28 @stu Hi all, I’m a researcher and analyst with @Wikibon, my primary focus is networking and virtualization. #SANchat
14:04:54 @gminks RT @@liemnguyen: Lets start off with a vocabulary exercise: whats VDI & how is it different from other forms of virtualization #SANchat
14:05:16 @dellenterprise RT @@Lee4dell: VDI discussion on #SANchat going on now. Join us!
14:05:28 @DylanAtDell PSA: Dell smart guy for VMware now on live #SANchat. Ask your Qs –> RT @@VirtWillU: Hey guys Will Urban Dell #EqualLogic solutions engineer
14:05:30 @osonoi OK RT @@Lee4dell: VDI discussion on #SANchat going on now. Join us!
14:05:34 @stu What is VDI? It’s *not* same as server virtualization & it must be more than simply replacing Windows desktop to create biz value #SANchat
14:05:57 @DaveTheDellGuy vdi for me is centralizing the full desktop experience #SANchat
14:06:33 @dellenterprise VDI discussion on #SANchat going on now ~ join us!
14:06:40 @mkhan01 VDI (Virtual Desktop Infrastructure) leverages virtual infrastructure to move end user desktops to the cloud #SANChat
14:06:52 @VirtWillU Agree with Dave, its much more than just moving the dekstop to the datacenter #SANchat
14:07:02 @DellSMBnews RT @@Lee4dell: VDI discussion on #SANchat going on now. Join us!
14:07:27 @gminks RT @@stu: its *not* same as server virtualization & it must be more than simply replacing Windows desktop to create biz value #SANchat
14:07:54 @gminks RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: vdi for me is centralizing the full desktop experience <- say more on this? #SANchat
14:08:03 @mkhan01 advantages = security, image management, access you desktop from any device anywhere (if your IT will let you) #SANChat
14:08:07 @iscsiking RT @@mkhan01: VDI (Virtual Desktop Infrastructure) leverages virtual infrastructure to move end user desktops to the cloud #sanchat
14:08:20 @DaveTheDellGuy agree with @gminks but there are basic perceptions of it from customer point of view #SANchat
14:08:39 @idsdata RT @@stu: What is VDI? It’s *not* same as server virtualization & it must be more than simply replacing Windows desktop to create biz value #SANchat
14:08:53 @gminks yeah…. blog post is coming after #sanchat.
14:08:57 @stu Desktop Virtualization should bring new features (security, mobility) and requires change to IT organization for storage, etc #SANchat
14:09:06 @DaveTheDellGuy A lot of CXO’s I talk with in the EBC are still trying to understand all the layers and potential impacts #SANchat
14:09:46 @liemnguyen @JLivens Trying a morning start to give others a chance to participate. How are things? What’s your take on VDI? #SANchat
14:10:01 @Compellent RT @@stu: Desktop Virtualization should bring new features (security, mobility) &requires change to IT organization for storage, etc #SANchat
14:10:21 @psustevens I realize this is a #SANchat and not an APPchat, but why not just virtualize the application(s) and be done?
14:10:35 @gminks RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: what do you think the customer perceptions are? #SANchat
14:10:36 @iscsiking RT @@stu: Desktop Virtualization should bring new features (security, mobility) and requires change to IT organization for storage #sanchat
14:11:00 @gminks RT @@psustevens: I realize this is a #SANchat and not an APPchat, but why not just virtualize the application(s) and be done? #SANchat
14:11:05 @mkhan01 @@psustevens good queston… Depends on the user experience you want to deliver. #SANChat
14:11:16 @stu RT @@psustevens: I realize this is #SANchat not APPchat, but why not virtualize the application(s) and be done? < this is an option! #SANchat
14:11:31 @DaveTheDellGuy I think some of the features are expected when you move to a virtualized infrastructure like security/mobility #SANchat
14:11:47 @VirtWillU @@psustevens thats part of it, the more you can seperate and isolate the better but what about when the end device breaks #SANchat
14:11:53 duckykhan RT @@dellenterprise: VDI discussion on #SANchat going on now ~ join us!
14:12:01 @liemnguyen Good baseline definitions. What are some of the misleading perceptions. It’s not a miracle drug. #sanchat
14:12:35 @DaveTheDellGuy “We actually talk to a lot of customers about their app strategy prio to VDI
#SANchat”
14:12:43 @VirtWillU it’s also not a magic bullet to “i want desktops for 50 bucks” #SANchat
14:12:48 @mkhan01 VDI requires an always on net connection… #SANChat
14:13:26 @stu To quote @brianmadden – anybody that needs “VDI” has it already. Create value and new oppty http://bit.ly/gV1Z2d #SANchat
14:13:28 @psustevens @@mkhan01 That is a good reason to virtualize the application. #SANchat
14:13:37 @warrenatdell RT @@liemnguyen: Good baseline definitions. What are some of the misleading perceptions. Its not a miracle drug. < cost savings #SANchat
14:13:39 @VirtWillU @@mkhan01 good point, so things to think about are the mobile workforce, offline modes, checkouts etc and what chllngs that brings #SANchat
14:13:40 @davegraham RT @@VirtWillU: it’s also not a magic bullet to “i want desktops for 50 bucks” #SANchat <-+1000
14:13:42 @gminks RT @@VirtWillU: its also not a magic bullet to “i want desktops for 50 bucks” <-heh #SANchat
14:13:52 @liemnguyen BTW for folks who are just joining us for the first time, I recommend http://tweetchat.com/room/sanchat, sign in, and go! #sanchat
14:14:13 @gminks @@stu @brianmadden ok do you **really** think that is true? anyone who has VDI already has it #SANchat
14:14:25 @gminks RT @@liemnguyen: BTW for folks who are just joining us for the first time, I recommend http://tweetchat.com/room/sanchat #SANchat
14:14:45 @stu VDI reality: It’s usually more expensive than what you have today. You can keep your image. #SANchat
14:14:59 @DaveTheDellGuy I think we will actually see a trend where mobile app dev/deployment will impact VDI type solutions as time goes on #SANchat
14:15:05 @Compellent RT @@liemnguyen: BTW for folks who are just joining us for the first time, I recommend http://tweetchat.com/room/sanchat #SANchat
14:15:23 annematter RT @@gminks: RT @@liemnguyen: BTW for folks who are just joining us for the first time, I recommend http://tweetchat.com/room/sanchat #SANchat
14:15:35 @Lee4dell RT @@gminks: RT @@liemnguyen: BTW for folks who are just joining us for the first time, I recommend http://tweetchat.com/room/sanchat #SANchat
14:15:35 @psustevens @@DaveTheDellGuy Do you have any pointers to this actually coming true? #SANchat
14:16:02 louisgray San Jose, San Francisco, San Fernando, San Mateo, San Joaquin, San Pablo, San Diego., San Luis Obispo. #sanchat /cc @@stu @@davegraham
14:16:38 @DaveTheDellGuy the ability to drive apps across platform is huge #SANchat
14:17:00 @dell_storage RT @@liemnguyen: BTW for folks who are just joining us for the first time, I recommend http://tweetchat.com/room/sanchat, sign in, and go! #sanchat
14:17:20 @osonoi なんかクライアント仮想化VDIでもりあがっているようだ。　#SANchat
14:17:21 @mkhan01 @@DaveTheDellGuy Take a look at Citrix GoldenGate… provides a microapp for mail… #SANChat
14:17:32 @wonder_nerd @@gminks @@stu @brianmadden from a VAR perspective. I don’t think that everyone who needs it has it. Universities are a good example #sanchat
14:18:34 @VirtWillU @@wonder_nerd good point universities are huge green fields, deploy classrooms to thin clients anywyere on teh campus and change #SANchat
14:18:43 @VirtWillU classrooms instantly #SANchat
14:18:45 @stu Big opportunity is to go beyond “corp desktop”. BYOC w Citrix or iPad (see @langonej’s http://bit.ly/hjJ4IM) #SANchat
14:19:10 @Niketown588 @@stu in your travels how have Organizations handled role changing that VDI entails? Tks #sanchat
14:19:35 @mkhan01 @@stu BYOC & BYOVM are quite interesting, I am running on a BYOVM model today.. #SANChat
14:19:36 @SecureGirl RT @oldmanaround: Needs to be sold/delivered for value, not cost savings. Value = security (data center hardening, unstructured data control, etc.) #SANchat
14:19:38 @DaveTheDellGuy i was just reading on the plane ride that conneticuit schools have their first public remote school #SANchat
14:19:42 @liemnguyen So let’s go beyond the desktop – what are some of the storage considerations for VDI – why should I care? #sanchat
14:19:47 @VirtWillU Storage considerations are huge! Properly sized/scaled will make or break a deployment, what works with 50 test users doesnt scale #SANchat
14:19:50 @gminks @@stu yeah but there are legal considerations wrt to BYOC, at least in US. see http://ow.ly/4E47h #SANchat
14:19:57 @VirtWillU to 1000 users #SANchat
14:20:05 @davegraham RT @oldmanaround: Needs to be sold/delivered for value, not cost savings. Value = security (data center hardening, unstructured data control, etc.) #SANchat
14:20:21 @SANPenguin Watching the VDI/SAN discussion on this morning’s #SANCHAT
14:20:26 @iscsiking RT @@liemnguyen: So lets go beyond the desktop – what are some of the storage considerations for VDI – why should I care? #sanchat
14:20:30 @stu @@Niketown588 varies greatly. Some have centralized desktop team handle all. Definitely requires change to org http://bit.ly/e71tTk #SANchat
14:20:44 @mkhan01 @@liemnguyen If you move 1000 virtual desktops to the DC, do you need 1000 disks… short answer no.. 1/10th disks may be enough! #SANChat
14:20:50 @gminks RT @oldmanaround: Needs to be sold/delivered for value, ! cost savings. Value =security (DC hardening, unstructured data control) #SANchat
14:20:57 @DaveTheDellGuy most vdi deployments we see today are still the 100-200 range before they get the drive to scale to thousandfs #SANchat
14:21:12 @dell_storage RT @@liemnguyen: So let’s go beyond the desktop – what are some of the storage considerations for VDI – why should I care? #sanchat
14:21:15 @stu @@VirtWillU can you expand on challenges of scaling from pilot to production? #SANchat
14:21:23 @DylanAtDell RT @@liemnguyen: BTW for folks who are just joining #sanchat for 1st time, I recommend http://bit.ly/dJUllC, sign in, and go!
14:21:32 @VirtWillU Dell has a new tech target set of articles: http://bit.ly/gB3Vom #SANchat
14:22:05 @gminks RT @@VirtWillU: Dell has a new tech target set of articles: http://bit.ly/gB3Vom #SANchat
14:22:15 @GraemeThickins hey, @KidblogDotOrg – I think you’d enjoy the discussion going on at #SANchat re: #vdi
14:22:18 @iscsiking RT @@VirtWillU: Dell has a new tech target set of articles: http://bit.ly/gB3Vom #sanchat
14:22:22 @davegraham @@VirtWillU #SANchat absolutely agree. Scale testing needs to be comprehensive across compute, storage, ntwk.
14:22:45 @JoshGant RT @@stu: VDI reality: It’s usually more expensive than what you have today. You can keep your image. #SANchat
14:22:54 @VirtWillU @@stu challenges include cost of infrastructure and managing all those images, different orgs wanting to hop on board etc #SANchat
14:23:02 @gminks RT @@JoshGant: RT @@stu: VDI reality: Its usually more expensive than what you have today. You can keep your image. #SANchat
14:23:23 @Niketown588 @@stu Thanks for the link #sanchat
14:23:37 @DaveTheDellGuy the complexity as you scale is around simplifyiny your management #SANchat
14:23:47 @VirtWillU Management while it can become easier with VDI, if you do it wrong you set yourself up for massive pain #SANchat
14:24:08 @gminks RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: the complexity as you scale is around simplifying your management <- #vdichallenges #SANchat
14:24:29 @DaveTheDellGuy you have multiple paradigms playing out in a customer’s environment like traditional and new workflows #SANchat
14:24:37 @wonder_nerd @@JoshGant @@stu Yes it costs more but you are paying for the feature benefits discussed earlier. #sanchat
14:24:37 @mkhan01 @@JoshGant VDI$ > traditional desktop$, may seem so, but add $ for application, driver, patch management… equation changes.. #SANChat
14:24:39 @iscsiking Management while it can become easier with VDI, if you do it wrong you set yourself up for massive pain (via @@VirtWillU) #sanchat
14:24:51 @VirtWillU Another storage impact is IO requirements, kiosk workers may not need any but engineering firms may need a ton with a ton of ram et #SANchat
14:24:59 @SANPenguin RT @@DylanAtDell: PSA: Dell smart guy 4 VMware now on live #SANchat. Ask your Qs –> RT @@VirtWillU: Dell #EqualLogic solutions engineer
14:25:30 @stu Storage considerations for desktop: Big recent trend for VDI (and others apps) is performance (SSD) is more important than capacity #SANchat
14:25:52 @VirtWillU @@mkhan01 great point! It also needs to be seen long term, whats the cost of a CEO losing a laptop? Migrating to Win7 on physical et #SANchat
14:26:21 @gminks RT @@stu: Storage considerations for desktop: Big recent trend for VDI is performance (SSD) is more important than capacity #SANchat
14:26:39 @mkhan01 @@VirtWillU Agree non-persistent Kiosk model storage needs can be really low… this is one model for which VDI shines #SANChat
14:26:40 @tehDiceman @@stu Your storage considerations bring cost considerations. SSD is not cheap. #sanchat
14:26:56 @VirtWillU For storage impact I always get asked “how do I size my environment” then the dreaded “it depends” every env is diff #SANchat
14:27:02 @Niketown588 San Marcos, San lorenzo, San Ramon, San Mateo /cc @@stu @@davegraham @louisgray #sanchat
14:27:03 @gminks RT @@VirtWillU: Another storage impact is IO reqs, kiosk workers may not need but eng firms may need a ton with a ton of ram etc #SANchat
14:27:06 @davegraham @@VirtWillU #SANchat strg needs to saint boot storm + steady state. They’re not equal. You need iops absorption (initial) w/sustaining disk
14:27:13 @VirtWillU tons of tools out there to help you pinpoint your environment storage and IO requirements #SANchat
14:27:29 @mkhan01 @@VirtWillU Yup, I personally dont see CXO and some knowledge workers jumping over to VDI, perhaps CHV (XenClient, VirtualComputer) #SANChat
14:27:43 @DaveTheDellGuy I love that we are seeing dynamic storage systems helping admins place important vdi workloads #SANchat
14:27:50 @liemnguyen OK there’s agreement that cost/scale/performance are big issues-what’s the difference betw supporting VDI versus server virtzln #sanchat
14:28:01 @stu RT @@tehDiceman: Your storage considerations bring cost considerations. SSD is not cheap. < agree – value must > cost or don’t do it #SANchat
14:28:06 @VirtWillU @@tehDiceman correct, but tiering storage and things lk linked clones from vmw can help bring some of those costs down and keep perf #SANchat
14:28:29 @chhandomay “To balance the need of high performance (SSD) and capacity (regular HDD), there are now hybrid arrays that mix and match
. #sanchat”
14:28:37 @gminks RT @@liemnguyen: OK theres agreement that cost/scale/performance are big issues-whats the diff betw supporting VDI vs server virtzln #SANchat
14:29:00 @mkhan01 One tech caught my eye = @Compellent Auto Data Migration… SSDs can hold os image and 7.2k drives can hold user data #SANChat
14:29:05 @davegraham @@davegraham @@VirtWillU #SANchat sorry. That’s “steady state” not “saint”.
14:29:19 @gminks RT @@chhandomay: To balance the need of high performance (SSD) & capacity (regular HDD) there are now hybrid arrays that mix & match #SANchat
14:29:29 @DylanAtDell @@psustevens You’re right re: skillset to manage VDI, 1 recc. is to have 1 client/image guru & 1 hypervisor/infra lead. #sanchat #sanchat
14:29:32 @kylemurley At San Diego VMUG today: http://bit.ly/fRHXJK Plan 2 b @Dell #EqualLogic session re:VMware &iSCSI SAN optimization 10:45 PortofinoA #SANChat
14:29:38 @dell_storage RT @@liemnguyen: OK there’s agreement that cost/scale/performance are big issues-what’s the difference betw supporting VDI versus server virtzln #sanchat
14:29:46 @tehDiceman @@VirtWillU We use tiered storage now. The cost of SSD is still a hindering factor though. #sanchat
14:29:49 @VirtWillU mgmt can also be tough when you have help desk and server guys and san guys all trying to solve a problem #SANchat
14:30:12 @chhandomay “@@liemnguyen you need much more higher density in VM for VDI than for server virtualization
#sanchat”
14:30:20 @gminks RT @@VirtWillU: mgmt can also be tough when you have help desk and server guys and san guys all trying to solve a problem #SANchat
14:30:22 controzo RT @@DellTechCenter: via @@stu: 30 minutes until #SANchat about VDI! We recommend following w TweetChat http://j.mp/hMn0AO /via @@VirtWillU #SANchat
14:30:26 @VirtWillU But, if you have 15 buildings in 10 states … now your help desk can live in the datacenter and whats the savings in that #SANchat
14:30:30 @davegraham @@mkhan01 #SANchat same for EMC FAST and even devices like PAM on NTAP. Autotiering is nice but needs to be transparent.
14:30:43 @tehDiceman RT @@chhandomay: @@liemnguyen you need much more higher density in VM for VDI than for server virtualization #sanchat
14:31:03 @VirtWillU @@tehDiceman agreed, and cost breakthroughs will push adoption over the next years i’m sure #SANchat
14:31:09 @DylanAtDell RT @@kylemurley: At San Diego VMUG today: http://bit.ly/fRHXJK Plan 2 b @Dell #EqualLogic session re:VMware &iSCSI SAN optimization #sanchat
14:31:10 @DaveTheDellGuy one of the big things about vdi versus storage is the fast storage consumption if not tuned correctly based on some past projects #SANchat
14:31:27 @gminks @@VirtWillU so you need new support practices…wonder what framework would workf for that… cc /@dguyadeen #SANchat
14:31:28 @psustevens RT @@VirtWillU: mgmt can also be tough when you have help desk and server guys and san guys all trying to solve a problem #SANchat < Yeppers!
14:31:37 @stu Server virtualization typically instant cost savings, then ripple to other domains. VDI must address x-functional 1st. #SANchat
14:31:46 @mkhan01 @@davegraham Yup agree “Auto” in teiring is nice and being transparent is important. #SANChat
14:31:47 @DaveTheDellGuy meant vdi vs sever storage #SANchat
14:32:21 @VirtWillU also, not every environment is suited for VDI, it’s not the magic bullet to IT fixes #SANchat
14:32:30 @chhandomay @@liemnguyen In server virtualization, you are good with 10-20 VMs in a host, for VDI you’d need ~100 VMs per host to balance cost. #sanchat
14:33:00 @wonder_nerd RT @@VirtWillU: also, not every environment is suited for VDI, its not the magic bullet to IT fixes #sanchat
14:33:06 @mkhan01 Then there are technologies like Atlantis, Unidesk to help w/ storage + the VDI infra guys are working on host local cache / dedupe #SANChat
14:33:12 @tehDiceman @@chhandomay @@liemnguyen Why such aggressive numbers for consolidation? #sanchat
14:33:19 @gminks RT @@VirtWillU: also, not every environment is suited for VDI, its not the magic bullet to IT fixes #SANchat
14:33:24 roidude RT @@stu: Server virtualization typically instant cost savings. VDI must address x-functional 1st. #SANchat ->VDI often lowers costs
14:33:43 @VirtWillU another thing to think about is isolating user data from desktop, the desktop is volitile work piece, it’s usr data that matters #SANchat
14:33:48 @Lee4dell RT @@VirtWillU: also, not every environment is suited for VDI, it’s not the magic bullet to IT fixes #SANchat
14:34:16 @mkhan01 @@chhandomay I believe host <-> VD density depends on use case, Task worker, Knowledge worker, poweer user, dev etc. #SANChat
14:34:28 @davegraham @@gminks @@VirtWillU #SANchat indeed. Vdi can quickly exacerbate fundamental issues with infra
14:34:32 @RobinDrago Great discussion on VDI happening now on #SANchat Join here: http://j.mp/hMn0AO
14:34:38 @gminks RT @@mkhan01: @@chhandomay I believe host <-> VD density depends on use case, Task worker, Knowledge worker, poweer user, dev etc. #SANchat
14:34:59 @chhandomay @@tehDiceman In server virtualization, you are mostly virtualizing big applications with high workloads; in VDI, (contd.) #sanchat
14:35:18 @DylanAtDell RT @@mkhan01: @@chhandomay I believe host <-> VD density depends on use case, Task worker, Knowledge worker, power user, dev etc. #sanchat
14:35:42 @stu @roidude lower cost of total solution at thousands of desktops? Got a link on latest cost? #SANchat
14:36:14 @chhandomay @@tehDiceman In VID, you are virtulizing thousands of desktops with considerably less workload per VM #sanchat
14:36:22 @DaveTheDellGuy i have heard that SSD drives are not going to be dropping based on smart phone needs which keeps SSD cost up #SANchat
14:36:31 @wonder_nerd RT @@davegraham: @@gminks @@VirtWillU #SANchat indeed. Vdi can quickly exacerbate fundamental issues with infra #sanchat
14:36:37 Arjantim RT @@wonder_nerd: RT @@VirtWillU: also, not every environment is suited for VDI, its not the magic bullet to IT fixes #sanchat < Agree
14:37:08 @chhandomay @@mkhan01 Absolutely. But the VM consolidation factor is an order of magnitude higher in general for VDI. #sanchat
14:38:08 @psustevens I believe there is a magic ratio of VDI and appVirt that still needs to be determined before either takes off completely. #SANchat
14:38:11 @warrenatdell If VDI is easy to manage, then why has it been so difficult to integrate it with existing management platforms? #SANchat
14:38:26 @mkhan01 @@chhandomay Indeed! #SANChat
14:38:42 @gminks RT @@warrenatdell: If VDI is easy to manage, then why has it been so difficult to integrate it with existing management platforms? #SANchat
14:38:51 @DaveTheDellGuy agree warren #SANchat
14:39:02 @johnobeto RT @@liemnguyen: Why don’t we start off with a vocabulary exercise – what’s VDI and how is it different from other forms of virtualization #sanchat
14:39:25 @chhandomay As @@VirtWillU says, not every environment is suitable for VDI; start with task worker scenarios – easier to achive VDI ROI #sanchat
14:39:36 @stu RT @roidude: No recent VDI ROI – but have a couple up on www.bythebell.com. Just recd $1.9M PO for 2,500 seat – saving them big $ #SANchat
14:39:47 @VirtWillU @@warrenatdell i hear that, mgmt software vendors have to realize a VD is just another resource and appropriately include it #SANchat
14:39:48 @liemnguyen So what’s a good use case for VDI then? What’s the target environment or organization for a VDI project. #sanchat
14:40:11 @mkhan01 @@warrenatdell VDI mgmnt is easy using VDI provided tools… IMO VDI providers have not focused on integrating w/ “legacy” mgmnt #SANChat
14:40:12 @psustevens @@warrenatdell I believe the management tools haven’t caught up to the technology yet. #SANchat
14:40:21 @wonder_nerd @@warrenatdell I think part of it is the human factor. Weve got set in our ways and have not adapted to new ways of vdi #sanchat
14:40:28 @VirtWillU Love talking about use cases with customers and how it fits in their environment, schools, call centers, kiosks are all home runs #SANchat
14:40:55 @gminks RT @@stu: RT @roidude: No recent VDI ROI but have a couple upon www.bythebell.com Just recd $1.9M PO for 2500 seat saving them big $ #SANchat
14:41:01 @VirtWillU next up is the mobile worker, ever have a laptop stolen/lost? productivity for user takes a week+ hit not to mention security issue #SANchat
14:41:05 @stu Target environments for VDI: Need security (gov’t), mobility (healthcare), or pools homogeneous users (financial, call center) #SANchat
14:41:08 @dell_storage RT @@liemnguyen: So what’s a good use case for VDI then? What’s the target environment or organization for a VDI project. #sanchat
14:41:11 @mkhan01 @@liemnguyen Use cases are sever, for eg: Call Centers, bank teller stations, computer labs, remote developers etc. #SANChat
14:41:15 @DylanAtDell @@liemnguyen Call Centers are a no-brainer for VDI. But there are a lot of others too. Basic office workers. #sanchat #sanchat
14:41:18 @DaveTheDellGuy vdi mgmt needs to focus on workflows as well that are already established with traditional computing #SANchat
14:41:59 @gminks RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: vdi mgmt needs to focus on workflows as well that are already established with traditional computing #SANchat
14:42:09 @tehDiceman RT @@DylanAtDell: @@liemnguyen Call Centers are a no-brainer for VDI. There are a lot of others too. Basic office workers. #sanchat #sanchat
14:42:11 @psustevens @@VirtWillU: What are use cases where VDI is not a good fit? #SANchat
14:42:25 @liemnguyen @@johnobeto – Have you consulted on any #Microsoft based VDI projects? If so what are you seeing with your clients? #sanchat
14:42:56 @mkhan01 @@VirtWillU Yup Citrix XenClient, VirtualComputer, Moka5 are making progress here… Plus you can run multiple vms on your notebook #SANChat
14:42:56 @VirtWillU multiple building sites, i want to get up from my cube, go to the next building, sit in a conf room with a machine already <cont> #SANchat
14:43:02 @Kimono some good discussions and opinions on VDI are floating around at #SANchat right now…. It remains one of the slow burns in IT
14:43:19 @VirtWillU configured and set up with projector and boom my presentation on the screen, no fiddling with wireless, cables, etc #SANchat
14:43:32 @DaveTheDellGuy basic task user cases will not return us the ROI vs rich areas in a company based on @studies we have completed #SANchat
14:44:24 @chhandomay @@psustevens CAD/CAM workstations, application development environments are some — where a lot of specialized applications needed #sanchat
14:44:32 @liemnguyen RT @@chhandomay: @@liemnguyen In server virtualiztn, u r good w/10-20 VMs in a host for VDI you need ~100 VMs/host to balance cost #sanchat
14:44:39 @benwaynet Anyone run CAD on VDI racked workstations? #sanchat
14:44:42 @mkhan01 You can even run 3D intensive apps over the wire.. We demoed playing Crysis on a 22″ screen using Dell FX100 + Precision w/ Nvidia #SANChat
14:44:45 @DaveTheDellGuy many task based areas in a company are already well managed and streamlined from what we see/hear #SANchat
14:45:31 JeffHengesbach Also love to hear -> RT @@benwaynet: Anyone run CAD on VDI racked workstations? #sanchat
14:45:33 @VirtWillU @@mkhan01 oh man i want a rig like that Dear SAN admin, i need to play crysis at my cube kthx #SANchat
14:45:55 @mkhan01 @@benwaynet Yes, I know of several customers doing this using Dell DRW #SANChat
14:46:00 @davegraham RT @@VirtWillU: @@mkhan01 oh man i want a rig like that Dear SAN admin, i need to play crysis at my cube kthx #SANchat
14:46:02 @psustevens @@chhandomay I agree. This is the case for many universities in a shared lab/workspace environment? #SANchat
14:46:13 @gminks @@VirtWillU srsly? #SANchat
14:46:20 @VirtWillU procs are so fast now with so much dense ram you can get the ratios up there in servers #SANchat
14:47:01 @liemnguyen @@benwaynet suggest you connect with @@psustevens @@chhandomay and @@mkhan01 to discuss CAD in VDI #sanchat
14:47:05 @chhandomay @@benwaynet We prototyped some for a univ environment at a Dell lab. CAD on VDI is one of the tough nuts to crack. #sanchat
14:47:25 @davegraham @@VirtWillU #SANchat Dell R815 with quad socket 6180s would do the trick.
14:47:26 @DaveTheDellGuy we even have DRW solutions with brokers that allow a pool of highend workstations #SANchat
14:47:30 @stu RT @@Kimono: good discussions/opinions on VDI floating around #SANchat. It remains 1 of slow burns in IT < “next big thing” for yrs #SANchat
14:47:33 @mkhan01 We have also seen Parallels workstation extreme + Teradichi remoting cards + FX100s to enable multi users from single workstation #SANChat
14:47:51 @psustevens @@benwaynet We are looking to virtualize those types of apps instead of using VDI. #SANchat
14:47:55 @VirtWillU @@psustevens heck yeah, academia is a great place for it, walk in and its linux class from 9-10, it’s bio 101 from 10-11 etc #SANchat
14:48:11 @Lee4dell RT @@mkhan01: You can even run 3D intensive apps over the wire.. We demoed playing Crysis on a 22″ screen using Dell FX100 + Precision w/ Nvidia #SANChat
14:48:15 @liemnguyen RT @@Kimono: some good discussions & opinions on VDI r floating around @ #SANchat right now. It remains one of the slow burns in IT #sanchat
14:48:19 @stu I still think VDI is highly fragmented ecosystem http://bit.ly/h8IqvW – when will it go beyond niche to broad adoption? #SANchat
14:48:47 @DaveTheDellGuy RT @@psustevens: @@benwaynet We are looking to virtualize those types of apps instead of using VDI. #SANchat
14:49:02 @gminks RT @@stu: I still think VDI is highly fragmented ecosystem http://bit.ly/h8IqvW – when will it go beyond niche to broad adoption? #SANchat
14:49:28 @VirtWillU @@stu internal politics, management, cost, internal silos, new technology, user training the list goes on and on #SANchat
14:49:38 @benwaynet @@psustevens visualize with what? Xenapp? or thinapp? #SANchat
14:49:39 @liemnguyen Linkage! RT @@stu: VDI is highly fragmented ecosystem http://bit.ly/h8IqvW – when will it go beyond niche to broad adoption? #sanchat
14:49:58 @tehDiceman RT @@VirtWillU: @@stu internal politics, management, cost, internal silos, new technology, user training the list goes on and on #sanchat
14:50:00 @DaveTheDellGuy most customers still need to get a better handle on their apps first #SANchat
14:50:02 @iscsiking RT @@VirtWillU: @@stu internal politics, management, cost, internal silos, new technology, user training the list goes on and on #sanchat
14:50:07 @gminks RT @@VirtWillU: @@stu internal politics, management, cost, internal silos, new technology, user training the list goes on and on #SANchat
14:50:10 @chhandomay @@stu That is the million dollar question. May be this year? Seriously, we are actually seeing a lot of POCs in the field now #sanchat
14:50:16 @psustevens @@VirtWillU This is the main reason we are looking at VDI, but the big iron apps are troublesome for us #SANchat
14:50:19 @Kimono VDI broad adoption? Perhaps never, because it will always lag behind whatever the contemporary desktop becomes #SANchat
14:50:21 @VirtWillU it’s usually easier in smaller shops where the IT guys wear all hats, no silos to break down #SANchat
14:50:33 @warrenatdell @@VirtWillU MS is addressing the mgmt issue this fall. But that has been a long time coming and leaves a lot of folks on the side. #SANchat
14:50:39 @gminks RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: most customers still need to get a better handle on their apps first <-sensing a theme.. #SANchat
14:50:48 @iscsiking RT @@VirtWillU: its usually easier in smaller shops where the IT guys wear all hats, no silos to break down #sanchat
14:51:00 @stu RT @@VirtWillU: its usually easier in smaller shops where IT guys wear all hats, no silos to break down < like iSCSI /cc @@iscsiking #SANchat
14:51:09 @DaveTheDellGuy problem with microsoft is hetero/open support #SANchat
14:51:28 @psustevens @@benwaynet We are evaluating the big players in teh appVirt market right now. Citrix, Microsoft, VMware. #SANchat
14:51:46 @VirtWillU @@gminks @@DaveTheDellGuy agree, seperating apps/OS/User data makes VDI a MUCH easier bite #SANchat
14:52:21 @liemnguyen @@stu @@VirtWillU – So let’s talk about a pilot. How do I begin, who should run it, should I hire a consultant or svc? Tips? #sanchat
14:52:23 @DaveTheDellGuy one thing the big virt players need to get square on is the licensing costs… not to mention microsoft #SANchat
14:52:48 @dell_storage RT @@liemnguyen: @@stu @@VirtWillU – So let’s talk about a pilot. How do I begin, who should run it, should I hire a consultant or svc? Tips? #sanchat
14:52:57 @psustevens @@benwaynet We believe there is a magic ratio between VDI and AppVirt to handle the big iron apps and the everyday apps. #SANchat
14:53:15 @wonder_nerd RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: one thing the big virt players need to get square on is the licensing costs… not to mention microsoft #sanchat
14:53:35 @stu Pilot for VDI: on the storage side, look for architectures where the pilot = production (scalability, flexibility) #SANchat
14:53:38 @DaveTheDellGuy since we agree there is no silver bullet to many costly app layers are needed today to achieve the anywhere/anytime/any device #SANchat
14:54:30 @VirtWillU one thing we haven’t talked about is licensing, some apps/os licensing changes when you virtualize it, specially thinapp #SANchat
14:54:33 @KongYang Interesting #SANchat going on w @@stu @@iscsiking @@gminks @@VirtWillU @@liemnguyen & many more. DTC lab view http://twitpic.com/4n7p01
14:54:39 @psustevens RT @@gminks: RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: most customers still need to get a better handle on their apps first <-sensing a theme.. #SANchat Ding!
14:55:33 @Kimono I see VDI valuable but @stuck in well documented & usual niches. But mainstream users moving to next gen workspaces: tablets, NUI… #SANchat
14:55:36 @psustevens @@benwaynet Unfortunately, we haven’t figured out the magic ratio…yet! #SANchat
14:56:35 @VirtWillU @@Kimono yep, the business needs to figure out if the end user actually needs or just wants those things #SANchat
14:56:40 @DellTechCenter RT @@KongYang: Interesting #SANchat going on w @@stu @@iscsiking @@gminks @@VirtWillU @@liemnguyen & many more. DTC lab view http://twitpic.com/4n7p01
14:56:50 @gminks RT @@VirtWillU: one thing we havent talked about is licensing, some apps/os licensing changes when you virtualize it <-say more #SANchat
14:57:17 @gminks @@Kimono what is NUI? #SANchat
14:57:41 @Compellent RT @@KongYang: Interesting #SANchat going on DTC lab view http://twitpic.com/4n7p01 <– great view! #SANchat
14:58:19 @benwaynet Need a way with VDI to deal with one off apps, to help keep the golden image. virt an app for one or two people doesn’t seem right. #sanchat
14:58:47 @benwaynet If I virt all the apps we have I’d have about 600+ apps to virt #sanchat
14:59:21 @psustevens RT @@benwaynet: If I virt all the apps we have I’d have about 600+ apps to virt #sanchat << That’s why I say there is a magic ratio.
14:59:41 @DaveTheDellGuy @@benwaynet agree but one off apps have to be controlled to standardize and help keep costs controlled imo #SANchat
15:00:07 @benwaynet @@psustevens Agreed, but that really limits VDI for us #sanchat
15:00:18 @liemnguyen “@@stu @@VirtWillU So any good case @studies on VDI successes you can share?
#sanchat”
15:00:19 @VirtWillU @@benwaynet good point, and with licensing you dont want to put 600 apps on a gold image #SANchat
15:00:23 @Kimono @@gminks : what is NUI? #SANchat It’s natural user interface. Surface, kinect, as these things start in entertainment but end up in business
15:00:58 @mkhan01 @@benwaynet You dont have to virtualize any apps, your Virtual Desktops can access legacy apps same has physical desktops. #SANChat
15:01:09 @DaveTheDellGuy Dell hosting is becoming a good case @study as we figure things out #SANchat
15:01:30 @psustevens @@benwaynet Welcome to my world. We have been going round and round on this exact use case #SANchat
15:01:37 @DaveTheDellGuy it is the basis for our reference architectures and integrated solution stacks #SANchat
15:01:46 JeffHengesbach @@benwaynet Ever looked into @UnideskCorp “layered” approach #sanchat
15:01:54 @NGTJason surprising lack of chat about SAN on this #SANchat…good @stuff regardless because I think the apps are bigger roadblock to adoption
15:01:57 @stu VDI proof point: [Video] Brown Shoe Company http://bit.ly/eJKvzj VMworld (1000′s desktops, Dell/EQL storage) http://bit.ly/eJKvzj #SANchat
15:02:01 @gminks @@Kimono ok thanks!! #SANchat
15:02:15 @psustevens RT @@mkhan01: @@benwaynet That doesn’t seem like a good use of resources? #SANChat
15:02:53 @liemnguyen RT @@Kimono: @@gminks what is NUI? natural user interface. Surface, kinect, as these things start in entertainment but end up in biz #sanchat
15:03:17 @gminks @@NGTJason I think there’s so much to think about before getting to the SAN…maybe we’ll need a part 2 #SANchat
15:03:51 @DaveTheDellGuy @@gminks @@NGTJason agreed #SANchat
15:03:57 @VirtWillU @@NGTJason the reality is all the vendors have a SAN to meet the app IO reqs, part of it is we can help you figure out the needs fir #SANchat
15:04:27 @stu @@NGTJason FC, iSCSI, FCoE, NAS – look at costs and management for VDI #SANchat
15:05:02 @edsai Spent tons of time doing vdi pilots and hit major walls when ppl tried to boil the ocean. Not everyone a fit. #SANchat
15:05:36 @DaveTheDellGuy Thanks for the chat today #SANchat
15:05:39 @gminks RT @@edsai: Spent tons of time doing vdi pilots and hit major walls when ppl tried to boil the ocean. Not everyone a fit. #SANchat
15:05:40 @benwaynet @JeffHengesbach @UnideskCorp I’ve checked out their website before but nothing more. VDI isn’t a top project at this time. #sanchat
15:05:42 @VirtWillU RT @@edsai: Spent tons of time doing vdi pilots and hit major walls when ppl tried to boil the ocean. Not everyone a fit. +1 #SANchat
15:06:32 @DylanAtDell @@liemnguyen @@stu @@VirtWillU Case @study: Lg. Shoe Co VDI on #EqualLogic http://bit.ly/heTzL9 (EQL Support login req’d) from @DellSF #SANchat
15:06:35 @VirtWillU Fantastic discussions around VDI, thanks for the responses!!! #SANchat
15:07:08 @gminks RT @@VirtWillU: Fantastic discussions around VDI, thanks for the responses!!! <- for real, great #SANchat
15:07:49 @liemnguyen @@VirtWillU @@stu and to everyone who joined us – big thank you for a great discussion on VDI. We could go all day. #sanchat
15:08:10 @DaveTheDellGuy should do more often to pick all the brains =) #SANchat
15:08:21 @SANPenguin RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: should do more often to pick all the brains =) #SANchat
15:08:30 @warrenatdell @@edsai I agree, but management is the ocean, not just a part of it. so they want VDI to fit everywhere. #SANchat
15:08:49 @Lee4dell Great involvement and input on #sanchat today. Thank you to all who joined!
15:08:52 @Compellent Wonderful chat today, thanks to all who participated! #SANchat
15:09:01 @iscsiking “RT @@DaveTheDellGuy: should do more often to pick all the brains =) < agreed!
#sanchat”
15:09:13 @dell_storage RT @@liemnguyen: @@VirtWillU @@stu and to everyone who joined us – big thank you for a great discussion on VDI. We could go all day. #sanchat
15:09:27 @iscsiking RT @@Compellent: Wonderful chat today, thanks to all who participated! < +1 #sanchat
15:09:45 @NGTJason Thanks to all for the great insight and different perspectives on #SANchat….can’t wait till part 2
15:10:06 @stu Thanks @@liemnguyen – enjoyed the conversation w @@VirtWillU and everyone who chimed in! Thanks for including @@Wikibon #SANchat
15:10:11 @liemnguyen Here’s the twapper keeper link capturing the great convo today: http://ow.ly/4EfzC – look for our recap blog #sanchat
15:10:29 @edsai @@warrenatdell ask anyone when anything has ever solved all challenges. never has but if you get 60-80% you may be ahead #SANchat
15:11:15 @liemnguyen RT @@johnobeto: @@liemnguyen interest among our larger clients is growing almost daily #SANChat
15:11:40 @glendacanfield RT @@stu: VDI proof point: [Video] Brown Shoe Company http://bit.ly/eJKvzj VMworld (1000′s desktops, Dell/EQL storage) http://bit.ly/eJKvzj #SANchat
15:12:32 @thevmguy RT @@edsai: Spent tons of time doing vdi pilots and hit major walls when ppl tried to boil the ocean. Not everyone a fit. #SANchat <-ditto!
15:15:36 @iscsiking MT @@liemnguyen: Heres the twapper keeper link capturing the convo http://ow.ly/4EfzC – look for our recap blog & on @@DellTechCenter #sanchat
15:15:49 @dell_storage What a great #SANchat! Hope to see you all next month – we’re planning n hosting live from #Interop
15:17:31 @gminks bye everyone – thanks for joining. I should have my post w the sneak peek at the #dellsf11 sessions up in 30 mins or so!! #SANchat